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Innofader banter from the man himself
Innofader banter from the man himself
Posted by Gizmo on January 22, 2008 :

JJust before NAMM, we gave you the exclusive on Audio Innovate's new non-contact crossfader technology. You all seemed like kids in a sweetshop with your noses pressed against the virtual glass wanting more. We'll here's a little more from the man himself - Elliot Marx, owner of Audio Innovate, extolling the greatness of his new wonder fader

From what I can gather, Elliot has had a tremendous response to the Innofader, with some serious names pouring over it and liking what they find. There will be much tweakery going on for a while before the Innofader appears, but when it does you can be sure it'll be just right.

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28 comments to this story

On January 22, 2008, weaksauce said this:
looks good!

On January 22, 2008, Louis D said this:
I'll be first in line to order one.

On January 22, 2008, dj cross+fade said this:
:amazed: does it fit my rane ttm56
AND DOES IT DO UP FADES (im not mad im just so dam
im just in love.gif with this fader

On January 22, 2008, Dizzy said this:
I'm second in line to buy one of these (or three if they can be installed on the up-faders).

On January 22, 2008, props2 said this:
they can be installed as linefaders. it accept curves from a-d!

On January 22, 2008, rael said this:
wow, seems like an interesting crossfader.

On January 23, 2008, phillip said this:
as far as i know, it won't fit in a ttm56. (backup giz?) but yeah i second that, i know it will fit in upfaders. this is truly a great crossfader. From the dj's i've talked to, i think we can agree that we don't like a metal click sound when the fader hits the side. what do you guys think?

Elliot, you definitely have my support!

On January 23, 2008, forgot my name said this:
does it fit on the djm400?

On January 23, 2008, cisco said this:
if this will fix the decay issues with my SA-8 IM IN!!!

On January 23, 2008, DJMota said this:
"if this will fix the decay issues with my SA-8 IM IN!!!"

No, the long decay of the SA-8 is problem of the circuit, not the crossfader.
If you can fix it, see my post in the DJ Bordallo's forum:

Sorry, only in spanish.


On January 23, 2008, ccp said this:
why would somebody put it in a ttm56? and this even without having checked whats the innofaders feeling is like? does not make any sense to me but for other mixers iīm sure itīll be a very interesting product

On January 23, 2008, Gizmo said this:
ccp - you'd be surprised just how many people love the 56 but hate the feel of the fader.

On January 23, 2008, Audio Innovate said this:
Thanks for your support everyone.

We're in the process of testing the fader in various mixers and will keep you guys posted of the results.

On January 24, 2008, dj cross+fade said this:
ccp the slop is not sharp enuff sometimes
i can mod it but then its stuck like that

i think im going to get a 08 with 3 of these faders

still love my 56 tho just wish it was sharper cuts

On January 24, 2008, phillip said this:
from my experiences, the rane ttm56 crossfader has a tendency to stick to the sides. i think if you take off the spring inside the ttm56, it's a great fader

On January 24, 2008, dj cross+fade said this:
thats what i did to phillip
just goot to keep up on cleaning it and its fine but i also like the 08

On January 24, 2008, jayo said this:
I would love to try a 3 pin version in my Zero 4...

On January 25, 2008, weaksauce said this:
the de-sprung rane was just too light. an old-school alps had the 'right' weight and feel, but had problems of its own. tension/curve/cut adjust are all well and good, but what about the 'weight' of the fader - elliot?

On January 25, 2008, Gizmo said this:
"the de-sprung rane was just too light. an old-school alps had the 'right' weight and feel, but had problems of its own. tension/curve/cut adjust are all well and good, but what about the 'weight' of the fader - elliot?

Yay! I'm not alone! I suggested this to Ebsel and Elliot, but I don't think they felt it was important enough seeing as nobody seems to have mentioned it before. To me, it's considerably more important that tension adjust. I outlined an idea based around adding thin weights to the body of the fader and building up to get the weight you liked. I never too it any further than an off the top of my head thought and even while I write this, I can think of a few problems with it.

But tension adjust isn't weight adjust. What I'm talking about is the difference between a Focus fader and a Pioneer 707/909 one. Both are super slick, but the weight in had is quite different.

On January 25, 2008, jayo said this:
Gizmo, I know what you are talking about.. You are talking about actual "MASS" of the fader, thus when you throw it you are creating more inertia if the fader has more "MASS" (independent on how loose or tight it is) I feel you are correct even though some faders have a very loose feel, at the same time they feel to "light" due to not having enough "MASS". However after looking at the Innofaders open picture on Audio Innovates site, I think that what looks like a brass block,(which I would assume is for the magnet)seems to really give it more "MASS" compared to other fader designs.. Also in the video when Elliot "shook the fader" it really slammed back and forth. Which would give me the impression of more mass... I know that other faders do not have the mass to slam when shaken like that.

On January 25, 2008, Gizmo said this:
Jayo - the Innofader won't fit the zero4. The recess at the front hits the bottom of the Innofader apparently. But the Pro Fader is still pretty good though. Shame about the fader cap.

On January 25, 2008, Jam Buglar said this:
Will it fit in a Rane 54? Inquiring minds want to know.

On January 25, 2008, jayo said this:
Gizmo, are you sure... I just took measurements of my Zero last night (with a micrometer) and sent them to Elliot and he and I both seem to think the rear circuit board with clear lip. (the lip only sticks out 2mm past the centerline of the crossfader attachment screws. once past that your depth changes from 44.7mm to 53mm... With the innofader only being 45mm in depth..
He posted this morning at djforums that it seems like it will work.. hell I would be willing to try it out..

On January 26, 2008, NuSkwler said this:
does ne1 have ne idea if it'll fit a Urei 1601?? --

the 'standard' pro x fade does, and i was going to upgrade to that when the original alpha in it wears out. which btw has lasted quite well despite the tales ive heard of them only lasting a week or two.

but im thinkin the non contact inno fader is potentially much better - no cleaning or wear. if it fits that is...

On January 29, 2008, DEF1 said this:
Has anyone actually tried the fader yet??

I heard from a bloke a Stanton that it blew up a mixer at the Namm show....

On January 29, 2008, Gizmo said this:
Well kind of. Something to do with Ebsel trying to rewire a xone:02 and something not going right. I'm sure Siya or Elliot will be able to shed light.

On January 29, 2008, Siya said this:
Korg fixes
korg zero 4 pxf mod.

Well it had nothing to do with rewiring the Xone, Elliot and some resistor, changed the wiring on the fader and tried it again and it blew another resistor.

I didn't really get a chance to play with it but the innofader is still at the testing stage, the problem seemed to be due to the power consumption of the fader and it requires laborious mixer testing plus some technical fixes.

On February 8, 2008, GodlikebuthumblE said this:
I want to try this thing out. Perhaps a replacement for my focus fader

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